2+ Hour interview with Rex Huha

I have to confess. I started our telephone interview with Rex this morning only 80% believing that his Jerry Carlton was MY Jerry Carlton. However, at the end of our phone conversation, I AM NOW 99% we have THE SAME JERRY CARLTON! I will give the reasons in this post.



Rex called me from Fresno, CA and of course, I am here in Marysville, CA.



There are times in Genealogy that one must use the "preponderance of evidence." This is one of those times. There is no absolute witness declaring that my Jerry Carlton is the son of Blake Carlton, but the facts seem to attest that he is.



For instance, when Blake Carlton died he was buried in Erath County, Texas. He had been a big land owner and had even donated the land of the Lingleville Cemetery. Blake died in Tillman County, Oklahoma, but was buried in the cemetery that was once his land.



Erath County is NEXT DOOR to Eastland County, TX where Jerry Carlton and Harriet (Turknett) Yarborough were married in 1885.



My sister Ima Jean tells me that there are family stories that Grandma Wright told of her childhood and grewing up around Quanah, Hardeman Co, TX. If you follow HWY 6 north, it changes to HWY 32 at the Oklahoma border, and the highway continues north to Magnum, OK, and then it changes to HWY 9. Granite, Hobart and Altus are close by. Going a few miles north you finally come to Sayre (birthplace of Mom) and Elk City (death place of Great Grandma Harriet (Turknett) Yarborough/Carlton/Nealy/Keener.

This area was the "stomping ground" of Grandma, and Great Grandma Harriet.



Meanwhile Great Grandpa Jerry W. Carlton seemed to be nearby his two kids, Uncle Lee Carlton, and Grandma Crissie (Carlton) Wright. Grandpa Jerry was nearby in Tillman County in 1910. He was back across the border in Texas in 1900 in Montague County TX.



Great-Great Grandpa Blake Carlton, lived in and was shown in the 1900 Federal Census in Tillman County, Oklahoma. He was listed as a widower, so he may have remarried after separating from Harriett and the two kids (Lee and Grandma.)




CARLTON/WRIGHT MAP

1 = Hardeman Co, TX
2= Montague Co, TX
3= Eastland Co, TX
4= Erath Co, TX
5= Tarrant Co, TX
6= Navarro, TX
7= Greer Co, OK
8= Tillman Co, OK
9= Beckham, OK
10= Roger Mills, OK


I guess it is the Tillman Co, OK that finally swayed me. Jerry Carlton had relatives in Tillman and Greer Counties. I am attempting to check out all of the surrounding cemeteries to see if a birthstone for Jerry can be found.

The trail was once cold, but it is getting hot now. More later! I'll tell you what I find.

ed//

Nephew of Jerry W. Carlton gives 1938 interview

The follow "1938 interview" was given by Lee Price. This would be the nephew of my Great- Grandfather, Jerry W. Carlton. Lee's mother was Melissa Jane (Carlton) Price, who was the sister of Jerry W. Carlton. This gives us some historical background in the Carlton family as well as the Price Family.

Indian Pioneer History Project for Oklahoma
Interviewee is Lee Price - Son of Constable R. J. Price

Interviewers Name: Jasper H. Mead
Report made on: January 19, 1938
Name: Lee Price
Post Office Address: Amber, Oklahoma
Residence Address: General Delivery
Date of Birth: September 10, 1890
Name of Father: R. J. PriceBorn: Arkansas
Died at the age of 83
Name of Mother: Melissa Jane Carlton (sister of JERRY W. CARLTON)
Born: Coffee, Alabama
Died at the age of 55

My name is Lee Price. I was born September 10, 1890, at a place called Healdton, which was about twelve miles west of Shawnee. My father was about the first settler in this part of the country.

Shawnee about this time was just a small Indian Village. The first railroad that was built through there was called ChoctawRailroad. The country around Healton was very rough and hilly.I have seen plenty of deer, turkey, wild horses and wild hogs. My honest opinion is that there were more wild turkeys then thanthere are tame turkeys now. I have gone wild hog hunting severaltimes with other men and it is a pretty dangerous game to play, ifyou don't know what youare doing.

The main water supply came from dug wells and springs, mostly springs.

The kind of law we had were United States Marshal, one of whom was Heck Thomas. My father, R. J. Price, also was an officer. He putthe first man in the Pottawatomie County Jail at Tecumseh when it wasfirst built.

When I first began to remember good around this place where my fatherhomesteaded there was no school, no church house and no roads. Ifyou wanted to go any place, you just started across the country. Youdirected yourself by certain trees and different land markings.

There were a great many Indians around healdton. Crazy Snake was oneof the chief Creek Indians and an Indian by the name of Big Jim wasthe Chief of the Shawnees. Crazy Snake was all the time causing a little trouble. He was a little copper-colored Indian. Both heand Chief Geronimo lived to be around a hundred years old.

There were several ranches around Healdton. I used to work on theCofis Ranch at $18.00 per month, board and room, but most of thisroom was on the back of a cow horse looking after small calves andrunning the line - that means looking after the outside fence.

I said at the first of my story that we didn't have any church house.We didn't but we had what they call a brush arbor. I have hooked steersto the wagon and driven them to preaching at this brush arborseveral times. A brush arbor is where you take a bunch of polesand put them in the ground so they will stick up a little higher than atall man's head and then run poles from one to the other at thetop and pile the smaller brush across them. This makes a shelterand a very nice place in the summer time.

Willard Johnson, who at that time was a widow's son, but who is todaya prominent business man in Shawnee, told my father if he would buyyp a bunch of lots around Shawnee, some day he would be worthsomething. But my father never did do it. He figered the countrywould always be like it was then.

In those early days around Healdton, people lived differently fromwhat they do today. I was seventeen years old when I saw my firstscreen door. At meal times, some member of the family would alwaystake a peach tree limb and mind the flies off of the table. It wasn't only this way at our house but everywhere youw ent, therejust wen't any screens in those days.

I have lived in and around Chickasha since 1921 and am a farmer bytrade. I am a 1/32 Cherokee, but never did draw anything.

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CHEROKEE NATION: BOLES CONNECTION

CHEROKEE CONNECTIONS

As best as I see it, James Boles was the first full blooded Cherokee in our family (if I can verify our Jerry is the same Jeremiah in the Blake Carlton family.)

James Boles had at least two children... a son named William Boles and a daughter named Elizabeth Boles.

Elizabeth Boles married Abraham Warren. They had a daughter Mary Warren.

Mary Warren married Blake Carlton.

Blake Carlton and Mary (Warren) Carlton had several children, one of which was Jeremiah Carlton...who we think was our JERRY W. CARLTON who married HARRIET (Turknett) Yarbrough.

It is interesting to note that the father of James Bole is supposed to be "CHIEF" of his tribe in North Carolina.

Here is a transcription of the said document:

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Cherokee Nation
Canadian Dist.

Personally appeared before me G. A. Jennings Dist clerk of Canadian Dist. Saike Spiltnose who duly sworn states that she was acquainted with Jim Boles, Johnson Boles, Wagner Bolels & Dangerous Boles, and knew them to be relatives of Chief Boles. They were my uncles. When I knew them or met them here, they stated that they had relatives back in Texas & I have reason to believe that Martha L. Brown was a granddaughter of James Boles.

Sworn to and subscribed before me
this 24th day of October 1894, (was striked through)
her
Sakie x Splitnose
mark

Witnesses
William Headrick
Cal Musrat

Sworn to and subscribed before me
This 24th day of Oct 1894
G. A. Jennings Dist Clerk
Per, R.E. Blackstone Deputy

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end

THANKS! To Rex Huba

Hey Rex!

Thanks for the package. I have quickly reviewed it all and still need to study everything more...but more importantly, I need to do tons of investigations.

I will have to confess that I am still wrestling with the believe that this JEREMIAH CARLTON is the same JERRY W. CARLTON that I have had in my records for years and years. Everything I have comes from two documents...1) is the death certificate of my Grandmother, Chrissie Carlton Wright and 2) the wedding certificate of my great-grandmother, Harriet Turknett/Yarbough/Carlton TO A JERRY CARALTON, Jan 17, 1885.

A third item that I have is the 1880 Montague Co, TX Federal Census: (Precinct 3)

Jerry Carlton (25) b. Alabama

It also stated that his father was born in Alabama and his mother was born in the same state.

The surprise was that this Jerry was shown on the Census to "BE MARRIED." I had never heard my great-grandfather to have a former family. But 5 years later my GGma Harriet Turknett/Yarbrough was married to a Jerry Caralton...and then in 1892 my GGma Harriet gave birth to a NEALY daughter.

The family story is that GGpa Carlton was hung as a horse thief...but that does not appear so, if he is the same person who is the brother of your great grandma Melissa Carlton Price. Your records show him to have died July 7, 1912 in Fort Worth.

If this works out to be absolutely true...my sister is going to be overjoyed! For nearly 60 years she has searched for an INDIAN CONNECTION. Old family stories have claimed about every female member of our family has a direct line to the Indian Nations. However, as a genealogist I have found no such connection. She does have one line JIM ROSS who she still claims is of Cherokee descent. I cannot find the link. But this CHEROKEE link will send her into a tizzy. She will finally have her INDIAN BLOOD...even if it is 1/32 nd!

I find it interesting that your GGma's husband, Mr. Price was a lawman. My GGpa Jerry seemed to be a little more dubious. The stories I have heard of him is that he was mean and hard to be around. He threw his baby daughter to the ground at one time.

My sister Ima Jean said that my Aunt Jossie and my Mom (Martha) never spoke kindly of their Grandfather Jerry Carlton...I guess their mother Chrissie Carlton Wright had heard too many bad stories from her mom, Harriett.

If what you say is true, that would have made him quarter Indian. Surely he would have known that his mother (Mary Warren) was half Indian. And that his grandmother, Elizabeth Boles was full blooded Cherokee.

I have searched for a couple of hours looking for a source of the dates of birth and death that seem to be listed for Jeremiah. I cannot find any source referring to BOLES or CARLTON.

Carlton, Jeremiah (1855 - 1912)
b. 19 DEC 1855 in Texas
d. 7 JUL 1912 in Ft Worth,, Tx
father: Carlton, Blake(1828 - 1911)
mother: Warren, Mary(*1826 - )

Carlton, Jeremiah (1855 - 1912)
b. 19 DEC 1855 in Coffee Co Alabama
d. 7 JUL 1912 in Ft Worth,, Tx
father: Carlton, Blake(1828 - 1911)
mother: Warren, Mary(*1826 - )

The pages you gave me showed some "endnotes" from the website submissions of GORNTOFAM.LLC, World Family Tree Vol 56, Ed. 1. I did a GOOGLE search on that and found the GORNTO family webpages...but there was nothing about BOLES or CARLTON.

The other endnotes listed "Little Family.FTW" My GOOGLE search was even more disappointing. No such LITTLE FAMILY with a BOLES or CARLTON family connection was discovered. This seems to be where the strong DATES seem to be coming from regarding Jeremiah's data.

At present I am only 80% convinced that my "JERRY" W. CARLTON is the same as your JEREMIAH CARLTON. The dates, and places of several events seem to be similar. Yet I am still in the speculative mood that both are the same.

I believe the proof will be in the death date and place. The July 7, 1912 date of death and the Tarrant County TX will be the place most proveable. I've got more comments but will end this session for now.

Your possible Carlton Cousin,
Ed//